tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5669027158753952.post3288264430926787861..comments2024-01-28T00:29:16.605-08:00Comments on Susan M. Schultz's Blog: The Decline and Fall of a State University, or, Another Flurry of Administrative Memossusanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16934944559857117395noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5669027158753952.post-76802978423314929272010-03-30T21:37:59.224-07:002010-03-30T21:37:59.224-07:00Every time I get an email from Greenwood, I come t...Every time I get an email from Greenwood, I come to your blog. My favorite part of her emails come at the end: <br /><br />Please do not reply to this message.<br />It was sent from an address that cannot accept incoming email.<br /><br />I like how you do reply to it without sending her an email.Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11796495369795506319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5669027158753952.post-45540879699896769362010-03-29T14:28:08.248-07:002010-03-29T14:28:08.248-07:00I agree, Susan...or politicians always refer to th...I agree, Susan...or politicians always refer to the rhetoric of responsibility...I want names! Who is analyzing these budgets? Who is sponsoring this legislation? What do they want to use this money for? They push the free-market system? Fine, I'll cut my taxes down to a price I'm willing to pay and place limitations on where it should be spent...that's what any good consumer would do, isn't it!Lyz Sotohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17016962204900040764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5669027158753952.post-41335263295215295142010-03-29T14:03:03.428-07:002010-03-29T14:03:03.428-07:00Point well taken, Mark. I mostly object to the wa...Point well taken, Mark. I mostly object to the way in which the economic argument becomes the _only_ argument; probably overstated my case.susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16934944559857117395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5669027158753952.post-89628565276780382952010-03-29T12:59:05.573-07:002010-03-29T12:59:05.573-07:00Thanks for these notes about such an obnoxious sit...Thanks for these notes about such an obnoxious situation, Susan. Parallels in California and elsewhere are obvious.<br /><br />While I hear you about the ethical/moral value of education, I'm not sure we should give up making the key point that, at least in California and probably in Hawaii, public universities are in fact also good financial investments. Students who graduate from public universities end up generating large revenues for the states that they often continue to live in, and perform many important jobs. They cost states money at the moment of education, but in the long run that money is made back and more. So gutting state universities does not help the state's finances over any period of time other than the immediate.<br /><br />So yes, let's insist on the ethical and social value of public education, but let's also not give in to the idea that public higher education is in any way a tradeoff of cultural value for financial. Public universities serve their states in both ways.<br /><br />The fiction that they don't is of course politically motivated: many people want everyone to believe that public universities don't make money, because they want to eliminate those universities because of what they stand for, rather than for what they cost.mark wallacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10047292022080114501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5669027158753952.post-58173942095092344012010-03-29T12:45:38.144-07:002010-03-29T12:45:38.144-07:00The thing that struck me was the disparity between...The thing that struck me was the disparity between the Chancellor and the President's message. Why isn't the President, who should be the lead advocate for the University system, also advising us to fight the budget cuts? I agree that the Chancellor lacked fire but at least she wasn't just toeing the company line. I guess it is sad but I was both happy and surprised to see anyone for the UH system admin calling for action against budget cuts. I was pretty much resigned to the fact that it was up to the students and faculty to fight for the survival of the University.<br /><br />Oh and on the library I think we are past the point of counting on funds from the University, the State, or the Feds. We need a public movement to SOL (Save Our Libraries). Donations of both money and books would go a long way towards revitalizing our ability to research and succeed. Also strong support could help convince the powers that be that the library really is a critical institution for success at a RESEARCH university.Andy Godefroynoreply@blogger.com